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WebExpo 2024: 5+1 Questions for Ondřej Pohl, Accessibility Director at Actum Digital

The WebExpo 2024 conference is focused on accessibility and offers several opportunities for those interested in this topic to dive deeper into it. One of them is Ondřej Pohl’s talk, Creating an accessible website: Expectations vs. reality.

In this talk, Ondřej will guide you through the whole process of creating an accessible website for the Institute of Experimental Medicine of the Czech Academy of Sciences, from initial planning to the Accessibility Statement. He’ll cover common accessibility mistakes that can occur during the design, development, and content creation stages, providing detailed and specific examples. You will learn how challenging accessibility projects can be, especially if you cooperate with several companies.

Ondřej Pohl

Firstly, let me briefly introduce Ondřej. Ondřej has been working in UX, research, and team management for more than 12 years, but for the last 4+ years, he has primarily focused on accessibility. Currently, he is the Accessibility Director at ACTUM Digital, an international digital technology agency. His main goal is to popularise accessibility and educate people, which he considers the easiest way to make websites and applications accessible. He is also invested in getting the Czech government and public sector to embrace accessibility.

Radek: Can you walk us through the initial planning phase for creating an accessible website? What key considerations should be addressed from the start?

Ondřej: In the initial planning phase for creating an accessible website, several key considerations must be addressed to ensure a successful project. Here are a few crucial aspects to consider:

  • Motivation and goals: It is essential to understand the primary motivation behind making the website accessible. Is the goal compliance with legal requirements, enhancing user experience for a broader audience, or another reason? This will help shape the overall approach and priorities for the project.
  • Team structure and supervision: Determine whether an internal team or an external agency will handle the project. If using an external agency, will the accessibility supervision be part of their contract? Clear roles and responsibilities must be established early to ensure seamless collaboration and accountability.
  • Team experience and expertise: Assess the team’s experience with accessibility. Who will work on the project—seniors, juniors, or a mix? Understanding the team’s skill level will help plan necessary training or support and ensure accessibility best practices are followed.

These factors, among others, can significantly influence the project’s setup, direction, timeline, and cost.

Radek: What are some of the most common accessibility mistakes you’ve encountered during the design phase, and how can they be avoided?

Ondřej: One of the most common issues designers face is creating input fields with outlines with a very low contrast ratio against the background, making it difficult or even impossible for some users to see them. Ensuring a high contrast ratio for input field outlines is crucial to avoid this problem.

Another frequent mistake involves proximity problems. For instance, placing the label of an input field too far from the field itself, or displaying a notification after a successful action far from the interactive element that triggered it. This can pose significant challenges for users with large magnification settings or tunnel vision, making it hard for them to locate the label or notification, resulting in a poor user experience.
Interestingly, most accessibility issues arise during the development phase rather than the design phase.

Radek: How do you handle the coordination and communication challenges when working with multiple companies on an accessibility project?

Ondřej: Managing coordination and communication with multiple companies on an accessibility project can be challenging, especially at the beginning. When three or more companies collaborate, time management and the quality of outcomes can be significantly impacted. Maintaining a friendly and understanding approach without forcing decisions is crucial, as that often leads to backlash.

From my experience, the most important aspect is clearly defining who the final decision-maker is. In situations of disagreement, having a designated person to make the final call is essential to prevent chaos and ensure smooth progress.

Radek: How do you balance the expectations of creating an accessible website with the reality of the practical challenges that arise during the process?

Ondřej: Initial expectations about accessibility often differ significantly from reality. For example, many believe that accessibility is solely the responsibility of developers or that it can be fully automated. To address this, I focus on educating both the team and the client, helping them understand the true scope and nature of accessibility.

Regarding practical challenges during creation, I advocate for a „progress over perfection“ mindset. If we encounter an issue that cannot be made accessible at the moment, we document it for future improvement. Accessibility is a journey, not a destination, and continuous progress is key.

Radek: Based on your experience, what advice would you give to someone starting their first accessibility project to ensure they meet accessibility standards effectively?

Ondřej: This question could be answered in several ways, but I will focus on meeting accessibility standards.

Firstly, suppose your primary goal is to meet accessibility standards and comply with legislation, especially if you are concerned about potential litigation (such as in the United States). In that case, it’s crucial to work with or hire an accessibility professional with proven experience to help you.

Unfortunately, I’ve seen many instances where attempts to improve digital accessibility resulted in „Frankenstein“ solutions that sometimes made things worse than if no changes had been made.

Consider this: Would you entrust your project’s cybersecurity to someone with only basic knowledge and no previous experience? The same principle applies to accessibility.

I don’t want to demotivate anyone—it’s commendable when people strive to make things accessible. The principle of „progress over perfection“ is vital. However, to approach accessibility systematically and ensure compliance with legislation, you need to involve experts with the necessary expertise.

If you decide to tackle accessibility independently, without professional help, remember that accessibility is not only about screen reader users. It’s not enough to test your solution with a blind user. Some people use only the keyboard, control digital solutions by voice or eye-tracking, have difficulty understanding the language, are distracted by seeing motion, magnify content, or use mobile devices horizontally, among many other considerations.

Radek: Why should WebExpo attendees join your talk?

Ondřej: Attendees should join my talk because it is practical, educational, and hopefully fun. It will be presented in a way that anyone should understand. They will gain insights into the expectations of companies and teams, which I believe will be interesting and possibly eye-opening for some of them.

Unlike many accessibility talks and webinars, which tend to be more theoretical, my presentation will feature practical examples and actionable information that attendees can take and apply directly to their projects.

Ondřej, thank you very much for the interview, and I look forward to your talk at WebExpo 2024!


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WebExpo 2024: Zaostřeno na přístupnost + soutěž o vstupenku zdarma

Tematika přístupnosti je s konferencí WebExpo spjata od jejích počátků. První přednášku o přístupnosti jsem měl tu čest přednést už na WebExpo 2009. Jmenovala se WCAG 2.0 – nový pohled na přístupnost a věnovala se v té době ještě ani ne rok staré metodice Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 2.0.

Od té doby se s tematikou přístupnosti mohli účastníci konference seznámit prostřednictvím celé řady přednášek, workshopů či praktických ukázek na stánku ve vystavovatelské části.

Ani letošní ročník, který proběhne od 29. do 31. května v paláci Lucerna v Praze, nebude v tomto výjimkou – těšit se můžete na hned několik příspěvků od přednášejících od nás i ze zahraničí, Discomfort Zone o přístupnosti a chystáme i jedno překvapení 🙂 Detaily najdete v článku Access for all: Spotlight on accessibility at WebExpo, případně si můžete přečíst rozhovor s Geri Reid – WebExpo 2024: 5+1 Questions for Geri Reid, Design Systems and Accessibility Consultant.

Podcast Bez bariér: CEO konference WebExpo Šárka Štrossová (S02E03)

Pokud vás tematika „WebExpo a přístupnost“ zajímá více, nenechte si ujít třetí díl podcastu Bez bariér, do kterého přijala pozvánka Šárka Štrossová, ředitelka konference.

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  1. Vyjmenovat alespoň 3 přednášející, kteří do programu konference WebExpo přispěli – či přispějí – přednáškou o přístupnosti. Uveďte jméno a příjmení přednášejícího a název přednášky.
  2. Napsat pár vět o tom, jaké jsou podle dle vaší zkušenosti největší překážky, které brání lepší přístupnosti, a co by pomohlo, aby se přístupnost digitálního prostředí (webů, aplikací, dokumentů, multimédií) zlepšila.
  3. Odebírat WebExpo newsletter.

Odpovědi posílejte do středy 15. května do 12.00 na e-mail radek.pavlicek@gmail.com. Z došlých odpovědí vylosujeme jednoho výherce, který získá vstup na konferenci zdarma.

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WebExpo 2024: 5+1 Questions for Geri Reid, Design Systems and Accessibility Consultant

The WebExpo 2024 conference is focused on accessibility and offers several opportunities for those interested in this topic to get to know it better. One of them is Geri Reid’s talk, named Don’t worry – the design system takes care of accessibility!

In this talk, Geri will walk you through a roadmap for organisational accessibility—from compliance to education to assembling a community of allies. She’ll also give us a practical guide to building design system components with accessibility at the forefront.

Geri Reid

Firstly, let me briefly introduce Geri.

Geri is a design systems consultant from London. As design and accessibility lead on design systems at News UK and Lloyds Banking Group, she has helped some of the UK’s largest media and banking brands to design at scale. She is currently Lead Accessibility Specialist at Just Eat Takeaway. Geri is a keen accessibility advocate, amateur writer, and documentation nerd.

Radek: Geri, what inspired you to focus on accessibility within design systems, and why do you think this is a crucial topic for today’s digital landscape?

Geri: If we don’t design and code our products to meet industry standards, people get left out. This might be our customers or our colleagues with disabilities but also our consumers with situational or temporary impairments. The web is an incredible connector and enabler of people and being left out sucks! In tech, we’re privileged people and with that comes a huge responsibility to care about the products we’re putting out into the world and the legacy we’re leaving behind.

In most of my design systems roles, accessibility has not officially been part of my job but I’ve just made it part of my job. Researching UX best practices and using this knowledge to build a core of WCAG-compliant components provides a solid base for a product orgs design and development. A design systems team is also perfectly placed to support consumers with the education, training and the support they need to build accessible end products.

Radek: In your view, what are the most common misconceptions about building accessible digital products, and how does your talk aim to address these?

Geri: Early on in my design systems journey, I naively assumed that building a set of „accessible“ components would automatically result in accessible end products. In my WebExpo talk, I run through the numerous ways teams can use the design system’s building blocks to make unusable products.

The problem with design system components is that they’re small chunks created independent of the overall semantic structure. You’re relying on consuming teams to put these Lego pieces together the right way. The bigger problem is that in Product, engineers might be using your WCAG-compliant building blocks, but they are building from designs. So, it’s really your designers who need to understand semantic HTML and which component to use.

I also talk about how teams consuming our design system components struggled with ARIA attributes and overlooked words in the code like link text, alt text and labels.

Radek: You mention the importance of a culture that champions accessibility. What are the first steps organizations should take to cultivate such a culture?

Geri: If you want your company to design and build inclusive products, you first need to set a standard. If your organisation doesn’t have accessibility standards, it can operate in a perpetual cycle of exclusion. No one deliberately designs products that exclude people, but in the absence of standards, we use our own abilities as a baseline for how everyone uses the web. In my talk, I discuss putting together a company accessibility policy or guidelines as a first step to defining a company-wide standard.

The most successful accessibility initiatives come from the top down. Getting a leader to champion your policy will supercharge your mission – especially if they have the clout to get accessibility fixes onto Product roadmaps or to block releases that don’t meet the company standard.

Accessibility is often far down an organisation’s priority list. I always try to align my accessibility initiatives with Product and Tech’s higher-level goals and quarterly objectives to give them more weight. Business leaders love quant metrics, and if you can show measurable progress, you’re more likely to get senior stakeholder buy-in, funding, and most importantly, the space to continue.

Once you have standards in place and buy-in from leadership, then you can start building your community from the bottom up.

Radek: Building a community of allies sounds intriguing. How can organizations identify and assemble these allies to foster a more inclusive digital environment?

Geri: Wherever I’ve worked, I’ve got together an accessibility guild or working group. A design system can be a perfect hub for this as it serves the wider community. I’ve found there are little pockets of accessibility experts and advocates across organisations. Folks from Marketing, UX Writing, Research and Diversity and Inclusion are often keen to join and can add a lot of value by bringing different perspectives.

There is rarely any accessibility support, even in large organisations. A forum to get together, ask questions and help each other solve problems can be useful. Accessibility is complex, and I don’t always have all the answers. In the past I’ve gone away and researched how to do things and presented this back to the group. If you record these sessions, you slowly build up a knowledge bank.

It’s little things like this that can slowly add up to a gradual shift in culture.

Radek: Do you have any success stories or case studies where implementing an accessible design system transformed the user experience or organizational approach to product development?

Geri: Something that always springs to mind is the positive effects of workshops I have run with design teams. I’ve workshopped things like instigating an accessible design process and marking up your designs for engineering. It’s been heartwarming to see the transformation. Hearing junior designers call out colour contrast issues or flag if something is not keyboard accessible in a design review after attending my workshop makes me so happy!

Radek: Why should WebExpo participants join your talk?

Geri: My talk is about how I failed, what I’ve learned and how I would do things differently. I hope people can take something away from this and hopefully not fail as spectacularly as I have! Failure + time equals comedy, so I try to keep things lighthearted. Accessibility can can be a bit dry but if you come to my session, I’ll make sure we turn up the colour contrast and have some fun with policy and guidelines 🤘

Geri, thank you very much for the interview, and I look forward to your talk at WebExpo 2024!


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